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By Vetchetarian
#31984
Neverout wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:53 am Difficult to see who would instigate a "total overhaul", particularly at the moment. The chief executive, director of cricket and head coach are all AWOL carrying out duties for the Hundred franchise , which a cynical man might see as their next lifeboat should a review ever take place.

The constant management appointments from within the "circle of friends " including some of the cricket appointments as well, illustrates that no-one at the club welcomes any kind of scrutiny or performance evaluation.

Despite having struck lucky with Labuschange ( bringing Neser with him) they have squandered the advantage and goodwill with a slew of poor signings, at a time when there are dozens of journeyman professionals seeking contracts.

The Covid difficulties have camouflaged the ineptitude of the current regime. Imagine the financial consequences had we had been relying on good crowds for the T20 given the abject performances.

I don't think Carlson opening is a solution and worry it may detract from his championship form in time.
You kind of make my point.

An overhaul won't take place because there's no one to expedite it. Too many interested parties for it to happen.

In the real world, continuous failure would lead to heads rolling, but not so in the world of Glamorgan cricket.
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By Neverout
#31985
I fully intended to agree with you. Any competent external evaluation of the core business of Glamorgan Cricket, the cricket team, would point to the glaring failure of the academy , the poor development of a clear pathway including the second team and minor counties sides and the constant underperformance of the main side.

On a business level they would also examine the failure to expand the membership and engage with cricket enthusiasts around the county and exploit being the only county with national government backing.

These deficiencies are so apparent and long-standing that any evaluation would have to be critical of the current management team . That is why such an evaluation will not take place. Ultimately the blame lies at the door of SportWales who have facilitated Glamorgan dominating Cricket Wales with a built in majority of appointments.
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By Vetchetarian
#31986
Neverout wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:30 am I fully intended to agree with you. Any competent external evaluation of the core business of Glamorgan Cricket, the cricket team, would point to the glaring failure of the academy , the poor development of a clear pathway including the second team and minor counties sides and the constant underperformance of the main side.

On a business level they would also examine the failure to expand the membership and engage with cricket enthusiasts around the county and exploit being the only county with national government backing.

These deficiencies are so apparent and long-standing that any evaluation would have to be critical of the current management team . That is why such an evaluation will not take place. Ultimately the blame lies at the door of SportWales who have facilitated Glamorgan dominating Cricket Wales with a built in majority of appointments.
" failure to expand the membership ".

I well remember the time when the entire playing squad went on a nation wide membership
drive. It was very successful. In those days Glam felt like the entire country were behind them, but nowadays, it's basically Cardiff CC, and the rest of the country really doesn't have the same desire to become members.
By glamman
#31987
Shamu wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 8:39 am
glamman wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:53 pm Further evidence tonight to support the question: "Why has Walker not played any Championship cricket?"
Completely different skill set.
How does Walker play in the best Championship team ?
Nesser, Hogan TVG pick themselves, adding Walker as fourth seamer makes batting tail too long.

He will get his opportunity in September with Nesser having departed and nothing left on the games.
How many Championship games did Weighell play?
By Shamu
#31988
glamman wrote:[quote=Shamu post_id=31982 time=<a href="tel:1626507549" data-original-title="" title="">1626507549</a> user_id=454]
[quote=glamman post_id=31972 time=<a href="tel:1626461613" data-original-title="" title="">1626461613</a> user_id=431]
Further evidence tonight to support the question: "Why has Walker not played any Championship cricket?"
Completely different skill set.
How does Walker play in the best Championship team ?
Nesser, Hogan TVG pick themselves, adding Walker as fourth seamer makes batting tail too long.

He will get his opportunity in September with Nesser having departed and nothing left on the games.
[/quote]

How many Championship games did Weighell play?[/quote]

4 - due to his career record. Your point being ?
By glamman
#31989
Shamu wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:50 pm
glamman wrote:[quote=Shamu post_id=31982 time=<a href="tel:1626507549" data-original-title="" title="">1626507549</a> user_id=454]
[quote=glamman post_id=31972 time=<a href="tel:1626461613" data-original-title="" title="">1626461613</a> user_id=431]
Further evidence tonight to support the question: "Why has Walker not played any Championship cricket?"
Completely different skill set.
How does Walker play in the best Championship team ?
Nesser, Hogan TVG pick themselves, adding Walker as fourth seamer makes batting tail too long.

He will get his opportunity in September with Nesser having departed and nothing left on the games.
How many Championship games did Weighell play?[/quote]

4 - due to his career record. Your point being ?
[/quote]

Walker should have played in his place. You’re response about Walker’s non-selection only referred to Neser, TvdG and Hogan.
By Shamu
#31990
It was not unreasonable to have expected Weighell to have batted at 8 with his first class record, thus preventing a lengthy tail. Lower order runs are a valuable commodity in modern cricket.
To sign a player with a track record and then not play him by favouring an untried 20 year old would be stupid - it would also have been confirmed to Weighell upon signing that he would be given opportunity to nail down a starting place.

What part of that do you find difficult to understand ?
By glamman
#31991
Shamu wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:36 pm It was not unreasonable to have expected Weighell to have batted at 8 with his first class record, thus preventing a lengthy tail. Lower order runs are a valuable commodity in modern cricket.
To sign a player with a track record and then not play him by favouring an untried 20 year old would be stupid - it would also have been confirmed to Weighell upon signing that he would be given opportunity to nail down a starting place.

What part of that do you find difficult to understand ?
The fact he kept demonstrating he’s not a great bowler. A fact acknowledged by two other counties. Do not select bowlers because of the runs they might score. It’s a false economy.
By Shamu
#31993
I’m just explaining the rationale.

Team will have a better balance next year.
By glamman
#31994
Not sure what you mean by better balance. You select 4 bowlers purely on their bowling. Then your 6 best batsmen, which nowadays includes a keeper and then ideally an all rounder who needs to be we worth his place on the basis of either his batting or bowling. The only way we can balance this side is to strengthen the batting. Do not make the mistake of selecting a bowler on the basis of their batting. I don't care if they don't know which end of the bat to hold - if they take wickets that makes up for any runs they might score. Saying that, most bowlers today are capable of scoring runs.
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By Neverout
#31997
The team will not have a better balance until they develop or sign a competent opener and a tactically aware middle order batsman.
By Glamorganmorgan
#31998
Vetchetarian wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:46 am
Neverout wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:30 am I fully intended to agree with you. Any competent external evaluation of the core business of Glamorgan Cricket, the cricket team, would point to the glaring failure of the academy , the poor development of a clear pathway including the second team and minor counties sides and the constant underperformance of the main side.

On a business level they would also examine the failure to expand the membership and engage with cricket enthusiasts around the county and exploit being the only county with national government backing.

These deficiencies are so apparent and long-standing that any evaluation would have to be critical of the current management team . That is why such an evaluation will not take place. Ultimately the blame lies at the door of SportWales who have facilitated Glamorgan dominating Cricket Wales with a built in majority of appointments.
" failure to expand the membership ".

I well remember the time when the entire playing squad went on a nation wide membership
drive. It was very successful. In those days Glam felt like the entire country were behind them, but nowadays, it's basically Cardiff CC, and the rest of the country really doesn't have the same desire to become members.
Not sure that the cricket season does any favours to becoming a Member - you now have to be retired to make enough of the games to justify it, and people are retiring later and later. It looks incredible value at £150 for the year on those early prices, which by my maths is about £4 per day of cricket.
By Neverout
#32002
Agree totally about the format of the championship and the giving away the prime school holiday weeks to a franchised tournament unaffiliated to the county. However, there should be more to bring a member than just attending matches and the club have never done anything to engender such a feeling of affiliation.

Additionally, given the ECB , TV and International match revenue streams( as well as the ground rent for the franchise) it would be interesting to know how much it would cost to reduce the cost of membership.

I remember a couple of seasons in the mid-nineties when membership was reduced to the cost of a four day match and the membership increased expodentially.
By glamman
#32098
These are the stats from the T20 campaign:

Batting
Name Matches Inns NO Runs HS Ave SRate
M Labuschagne (Gm) 8 8 1 390 93* 55.71 140.79
DL Lloyd (Gm) 12 12 0 302 52 25.16 147.31
WT Root (Gm) 6 5 1 88 41* 22.00 110.00
NJ Selman (Gm) 6 6 0 130 65 21.66 126.21
DA Douthwaite (Gm) 12 11 1 203 53 20.30 153.78
WJ Weighell (Gm) 7 7 0 96 51 13.71 135.21
CB Cooke (Gm) 11 11 2 122 26 13.55 103.38
T van der Gugten (Gm) 9 5 3 26 18* 13.00 113.04
CA Ingram (Gm) 12 12 1 174 75 15.81 104.19
KS Carlson (Gm) 12 11 0 141 32 12.81 127.02

Bowling
Name Ball Dots Runs Wkts BB Ave 4wI 5wI SRate Econ
RI Walker (Gm) 108 50 128 8 3-15 16.00 0 0 13.50 7.11
CZ Taylor (Gm) 24 7 34 2 1-13 17.00 0 0 12.00 8.50
DA Douthwaite (Gm) 208 77 294 15 3-28 19.60 0 0 13.86 8.48
M Labuschagne (Gm) 132 40 193 9 2-22 21.44 0 0 14.66 8.77
RAJ Smith (Gm) 114 52 138 4 2-13 34.50 0 0 28.50 7.26
AG Salter (Gm) 156 40 243 7 2-31 34.71 0 0 22.28 9.34
P Sisodiya (Gm) 186 47 256 7 2-22 36.57 0 0 26.57 8.25
T van der Gugten (Gm) 182 61 292 7 3-16 41.71 0 0 26.00 9.62
DL Lloyd (Gm) 48 16 71 1 1-18 71.00 0 0 48.00 8.87
WJ Weighell (Gm) 102 26 195 3 1-22 65.00 0 0 34.00 11.47

Make of them what you will.
Personally I look at SR and runs scored in batting and economy and SR in bowling. We missed Selman and Sisodiya and you have to question some of the other selections. Decisions on the field buy Cooke were also too regimented as though he was working to a pre ordained series of bowling changes. Would much prefer to see Lloyd captaining in this format. Too much for a WK and am not terribly impressed with Cooke's captaincy in any format.
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