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By Dismayed1
#24469
I have been getting frustrated as a loyal Glamorgan supporter, and thought it was time I joined this site to get a few things off my chest.
This is the worst Glamorgan's season that I can remember. They have lost nine of eleven matches played in all competitions, they can't get much worse than that.
It pains me as a longtime supporter to see my beloved club hit rock bottom.
Time is long overdue for Director of cricket, Hugh Morris, to be accountable for the mess he has presided over. Likewise, head coach Robert Croft has clearly not been up to the job.
The coaching staff are friends, and former playing colleagues of Hugh Morris. They are Glamorgan players of yesteryear! Chummy, friendly, cosy.
The players, and the club, are crying out, not for cosiness, but high-end, experienced technical and tactical input, quality man-management, and astute decision making.
The current set-up clearly lacks ' outside' experience and input, and from what I hear, the challenging supportive, and focused environment, which is a ' given' at so many professional, and high-end sporting teams
By djronnieb65
#24476
Have been saying this for a couple of years now
We need to bring an experienced coach in from outside as director of cricket
Hugh Morris needs to stand down for ok that position
As you said there’s too much old pals act at the club with all the ex Glamorgan cricketers there
The whole of the playing side needs to be looked at from academy to senior players
The problem is that 90 percent of the members are just happy to watch the games and not worry about how bad they are and say nothing about it
The board are only really interested in having one day internationals at the ground and a closed shop in terms of the running of the club
The current stock of promising players we have will probably not improve much as the time goes on as the lack of good coaching means they will not develop as they should
Perfect example this season is Donald who now seems to have lost his confidence
What great player he is and it’s sad to see like this
However things will not improve unless major changes are made in the coaching staff
By exileKT8
#24477
Welcome Dismayed, hope you haven`t come here in hope of being cheered up.

The themes of your post have been well aired on here and many are in agreement. We share your frustrations. Others on here are much closer than I to what is occurring on and off the pitch, however ;

- in my time we were also pretty dire in mid / late 70s, most of the 80s until Morris, James, Dale, and many more came fortunately together. After the Kasper / Elliott years things were again pretty grim in the early 2000s and haven`t really improved.

- whatever is happening on the pitch Hugh Morris seems to have steadied the financial ship and reduced a large debt whilst enabling us to pay the wages of the likes of Hogan, Rudolph, Ingram, Marsh Steyn etc. For that I still think he deserves our gratitude. In fact it does not bear thinking about where we have been without Hogan and Ingram and indeed Rudolph in 1 day cricket.

- on the pitch we would all love a primarily Welsh team with a Welsh coach playing with national pride and being successful. I fear Robert Croft is not going to be the answer. There are differing views on here but if I speak from a rugby perspective having good players is more important than having a good coach in professional sport. Of course development of young players is different. With our current batting line up and spin options I would don`t think many coaches in world cricket could make much difference.

Outside voice coming into into a Welsh environment has my full support and with Gatland / Edwards / Pivac as good examples but we have no Welsh cricketers of the stature of Alun Wyn, Jonathan Davies, Warburton, Faletau etc.
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By notgoingoutreprise
#24479
Although we are not doing well,you can not say the young Welsh lads have not had a chance.Was not too long ago we had up to 8 foreign players in the side.Whether the players are good enough,that remains to be seen.My only problem with Croft is the constant inclusion of Salter,who quite frankly has had not a single match winning contribution in his entire 4 day and 1 day career.There must be an alternative out there somewhere,and Salter is never going to improve when he has a nailed on spot in the sid,and no competition
By lbwandout
#24486
Sensible post from notgoingout. Some really knee jerk reactions regarding Morris and Croft! We have a squad of young Welsh Players at the moment so give them a chance to see if they are good enough.
As for Croft and company people may have short memories that we have shown the door to two international coaches in Mott and Radford! We also have Maynard now as the batting coach who has been Englands batting coach.Unfortunately the common denominator in all this is the players?
No one could argue that this is a very disappointing season so far but lets get behind the current Welsh boys and hope they can make the grade.
By Ger27
#24510
I think criticisim of Hugh Morris is a bit unfair. The work he has done to improve the financial position of the club is nothing short of remarkable. He has done brilliantly to get so much money out of the ECB as well as getting the banks, Council and Welsh Government to forgo debts (putting aside the morals of some/all of these arrangements!).

That said, I also think the appointment of Robert Croft was a mistake, and I can't see how things are going to improve any time soon. Every man and his dog could see that our batting line up would lead to us not being competitive in most our CC games this season. If Welsh batting talent is not there, then they should have looked elsewhere - I don't think it's good for the development of youngsters like Murphy, Carlson, and Donald to play so many games when there are elements of their games quite clearly not up to it yet.

Sadly, Meschede apart, I think everyone is contracted for next season, so I don't think changes are imminent.

Whilst I know the franchise is separate to the Club and not intended to benefit Glamorgan in any way, I wonder if the kick-off that in 2020 is our best opportunity to get good coaches/players relocated to South Wales for the whole summer, combining work with the franchise and Glamorgan?
By Dismayed1
#24520
I couldn't let the posts of lbwandout and ger27 go without reply. I agree that Hugh Morris has done a good job in bringing in a lot of finance for the club, but he should relinquish his position as Director of Cricket, and appoint someone who is able to devote 100% of his time to cricketing and coaching matters and let him bring in a fresh coaching team, Croft and his lot a clearly not up to it.
As for saying we have a side of new young welsh players, what about Marsh, Van der gluten, de Lange, Hogan. They have chosen not to play Wagg, and Cooke, Lloyd and Salter were all in the team when it was in the top 4 and won four in a row three years ago, what's happened to them, they have regressed. As was stated the club removed two international coaches and replaced, Radford with an inexperienced untried coach. They are now reaping the consequences of doing that and Morris should be man enough to admit he was wrong and begin the process of change.
By glamman
#24538
My concern is in regard to the rumours I have heard about the relationship between Croft and the players. My understanding is that Croft has alienated at least a fair few of the players and it is no secret that he and Myanard are not the best of mates. If there are these things going on in a team that is not going well then something has to change. Unity is essential if we are to battle out of the current situation. The question is who is going to unite things?
By exileKT8
#24540
Not sure the extent of MM`s involvement as the Batting Coach or part time advisor, but his presence in the background must be unsettling for RDBC, must increase the pressure when results are poor.
By glamman
#24542
exileKT8 wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:29 pm
Not sure the extent of MM`s involvement as the Batting Coach or part time advisor, but his presence in the background must be unsettling for RDBC, must increase the pressure when results are poor.
The fact is I think the players enjoy being with Maynard and respect his advice.
By Nick_Glam
#24544
While coaching is obviously crucial and questions have to be asked, I can't help but feel that the squad simply isn't good enough. We are 1 or 2 batsmen short and have no specialist spinner.

The one area that I do have sympathy with is the seam bowling department. This should have been our strength this season and losing Hogan, de Lange and Meschede at the same time is incredibly unfortunate.
By glamman
#24545
Nick_Glam wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:37 pm
While coaching is obviously crucial and questions have to be asked, I can't help but feel that the squad simply isn't good enough. We are 1 or 2 batsmen short and have no specialist spinner.

The one area that I do have sympathy with is the seam bowling department. This should have been our strength this season and losing Hogan, de Lange and Meschede at the same time is incredibly unfortunate.
Bull and Sidoya have been getting wickets in the 2nds. I would like to see Bull get a chance but Salter did better in the last game and I think they want him batting at 8, although he has only got past 14 once in his last 11 innings.
By glamman
#24547
Nick_Glam wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:37 pm
While coaching is obviously crucial and questions have to be asked, I can't help but feel that the squad simply isn't good enough. We are 1 or 2 batsmen short and have no specialist spinner.

The one area that I do have sympathy with is the seam bowling department. This should have been our strength this season and losing Hogan, de Lange and Meschede at the same time is incredibly unfortunate.
Looks like Carberry may be available. At 37 he is getting on but could add some experience to help the youngsters.
By psychocandy
#24575
glamman wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:26 am
Nick_Glam wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:37 pm
While coaching is obviously crucial and questions have to be asked, I can't help but feel that the squad simply isn't good enough. We are 1 or 2 batsmen short and have no specialist spinner.

The one area that I do have sympathy with is the seam bowling department. This should have been our strength this season and losing Hogan, de Lange and Meschede at the same time is incredibly unfortunate.
Bull and Sidoya have been getting wickets in the 2nds. I would like to see Bull get a chance but Salter did better in the last game and I think they want him batting at 8, although he has only got past 14 once in his last 11 innings.
Never heard of Sidoya but looks like he may play today.

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